. Yes, I was totally waiting for them to at least say something positive about the Sub 37! They seem to be pretty similar in sound but the Sub 37 has a bigger keyboard, it's Paraphonic, has a sequencer, a screen, an arpeggiator, more knobs on the front panel and other additional bells and whistles. A improved keybed would have been nice for the SubPhatty. I own a Sub 37 since a year now and i never really got warm with it. Really couldn’t find anything about it that I didn’t like. What a pity! 2 osc and a sub isn’t quite the same thing but it’ll get you by in many cases. I think the thing that frustrates people about Moog is that a lot of people want a new polymoog – but it may not be commercially viable for them to create a modern polyphonic analog, to Moog’s level of build quality. The Sub 37 is a brilliant instrument with a beautiful sound and you’re lucky to be able to afford something that many of us can only dream of. Kinda deceptive wording from the marketing dept at the time then. Not every complaint’s unreasonable. Pity. Moog’s engineering team is small and cannot afford the R&D expense of designing completely new instruments every 12 or 18 months (just for the sake of having something new). The huge remake of modulars..etc – didn’t come without a cost. At least the better keyboard would be nice. Here’s a summary of the features and differences of the two Subsequent synths: Moog shared this video intro, featuring Moog Chief Engineer Cyril Lance and Snarky Puppy’s Cory Henry, demonstrating the sonic changes implemented in the Subsequent design: The Subsequent 37 is available now for US $1499. SUBZERO // Moog Sub 37 Presets. However, it does one better, with the addition of two-note paraphony—which means that you can play two notes on the keyboard at a time (though both will go through the same signal path). What can I do? I absolutely love Dreadbox though. We go beyond the news that Moog Music have discontinued the modern classic Sub 37 analog synth and replaced it with the Subsequent 37 by providing a full video review of the Subsequent CV 37. How could the development cost come even close to a number like that. I don’t work for Moog, but I strongly suspect that their business model Is something like that of a European sports car manufacturer. Seems like more for your money. In addition to the sound engine augmentation, each Subsequent 37 comes with an upgraded keybed for improved playability, a high-powered headphone amplifier strong enough to drive the most demanding headphones, and a software plugin/editor for both Windows and Mac platforms. After I bought it, I remembered I had the midi to CV modules on a couple of my racks. However, the Sub 25 may be better seen as a successor to the Sub Phatty. Where are presets stored on my computer? The Moog Subsequent 25 appears to be a compact, less expensive option than the popular Subsequent 37. Of course thats because of the more driven sound of the Sub 37, which is why the sound can get more homogen at some points. In short: I’m confidant that Moog is building the best synthesizers they can. The Sub 37 or Subsequent 37 offer a wide sound range (with no patching) and patch memory. I’m pretty sure they would like to develop new stuff, but I am not sure they have the funds or leadership to pull it off. Example of what they could have said : “More headroom in the mixer gives the new model a cleaner, fatter sound while the former model retains its raw, aggressive sound, giving the two synths different flavors”. The Memorymoog was impressive, but it came and went, while the monophonics roll on. Moog could pull off their own high-end DeepMind 12 thing, but what for? Done for below 2k. I do like the “softer” sound of the old one better. May 20, 2020 - About the Moog Sub 37 and Moog Subsequent 37 Analog Synthesizer. [1] although my original Sub37 is probably built a lot better than many Ferrari s. Based on the many companies in this niche that do manage to create new products that don’t completely cannibalize their previous ones, I would say that Moog is perfectly capable of developing a more diverse array of synths with greater frequency. Progress is good. Moog has revealed its new Subsequent 37 synthesizer. It’s shocking but true. If I had the cash, I’d buy everything they make. To put it another way, Moog have taken many of the improvements made in the Subsequent 37 and put them, largely, back into the Sub Phatty. To be completely honest…. ), they have to train support people on how it works so they can assist people who call customer service … and I’m probably leaving a lot of stuff out. Probably because people complained. “…a replacement for the company’s discontinued Minimoog line.”. All contents copyright © SOS Publications Group and/or its licensors, 1985-2021. 3. A Moog is basically a solo voice, like a violin. And if you can make like Rick Wakeman, you might even walk out of there alive. Novem, TimS is well aware. Mos lab and Club of the Knobs have been making system clones for years that are just a fraction of the Moog price. In a few year we may see the MiniMoog (SMD version) back as the standard….. Bought a Voyager RME new for $1799 a few years back. Is the Sub 37 to Subsequent 37 upgrade still available? Moog is preparing us for the future. I like the clean sounds! Listened to comparison videos. I think moog is losing it. I don’t get the sarcasm and brutal comments that are so common on this site. I honestly cannot think of a company that have made more out of remakes than them. The chordal paradigm doesn’t generally work all that well. Moog describes the Subsequent 37 as ‘The New Standard’ – which positions the new monosynth as not just a replacement for the Sub 37, but as a replacement for the company’s discontinued Minimoog line. The Sub-37 does many things the D simply can't, but where they overlap, the D wins hands down in my opinion. Unlike (say) Apple, Moog does not expect its customers to churn through a new model synthesizer every year. Hard to believe it costs that much. Completing the sonic evolution of the SUBSEQUENT 37 is a re-tuned Multidrive circuit that extends well beyond the grit and growl of the original Sub 37. The Moog Subsequent 37 is the most straightforward of them, offering up the classic Moog analog architecture, with basic routing and modulation options. I’m so sick of this dumb game. its developed into a great synth and it is now the mono synth to beat. With the release of the Subsequent 37 CV I was a little mad (especially cause those CV ouputs would play nicely with my modular gear, and an improved keybed seems like a plus), but considering the higher price I wasn’t too jealous. I wonder if there is a Sub 37 upgrade path. Moog Music today announced the Subsequent 37 CV, a variant of the Sub 37 that adds new assignable control voltage patch points for modular connectivity, an improved keybed and an updated mixer. But now I’m a little pissed. ahhh. Their oscillators are gorgeous. I love Moog as a company, but I think they are using up their goodwill due to lack of creativity. Even Minimoog expanders with a case , and knobs were at that price range. A modern classic first built in 2014, the Sub 37 (the first model) and SUBsequent 37 (the later model, often still called the Sub 37), builds on Moog's slightly older Sub Phatty monosynth. The award-winning Sub 37 Paraphonic Analog Synthesizer has been discontinued from production to make way for Moog Music’s new standard: the Subsequent 37. The Subsequent 37 is already shipping from the Moog Factory and currently available through Moog Dealers worldwide for $1499. It's bigger, meatier and easier to pilot - the Sub 37 user gets (for a nominally hiked price) a keyboard poised to be the most exciting member of the Phatty line. Also the update proces is incredible weird. This provides access to a new range of classic clean tones in both mono and duo performance modes. The Subsequent 37 is a (2-note) paraphonic analog synthesizer that builds upon the award-winning design of the ultra-powerful Sub 37 Tribute Edition. $300 for some C/V I/O. Sadly, the biz/mgmt side of things occasionally has to make unpopular business decisions about products that aren’t selling well. That’s the same path Keith Emerson and Cory Booker took. In addition to the sound engine augmentation, each SUBSEQUENT 37 comes with an upgraded keybed for improved playability, a high-powered headphone amplifier strong enough to drive the most demanding headphones, and a software plugin/editor for both Windows and Mac platforms. Why am I not hearing any audio in "Active Panel" mode? I’m pretty bitter, it feels like they’re saying “we fucked up” with the sub 37. So, this new synth has three oscillators? Remakes, and improvements on 2 synths I already bought (sub phatty, then sub 37). Well with everyone thinking about selling their Sub 37s, soon you might just be able to afford one too…. Comparing numbers like that sounds like something the pointy-haired boss from Dilbert would do. Your paying for the name and pedigree. Or perhaps the Successional 37 CV Pro Turbo. I hardly ever use drive or clipping when i design patches. I’m done with Moog until they decide to actually evolve as a company and do something revolutionary in the spirit of Bob Moog. The Subsequent 37® is a (2-note) paraphonic analog synthesizer that builds upon the award-winning design of the ultra-powerful Sub 37 Tribute Edition. This piecemeal incremental adjustments and improvements by Moog is perplexing. What they really need to focus on is the Vouyger line. Well you can’t just have a “tribute” edition. ), IIRC the Minitaur was a new architecture which begat the Sub Phatty which begat the Sub 37. Improved keybed is welcome. Dave Smith is a great example of a company that diversifies its product line quite a bit and frequently. Haven’t heard much since its premiere at Superbooth . It does sound good though. But not every synthesist needs CV routing, so by popular demand, Moog has released the Subsequent 37: it's the same great analog synth — minus the CV. These are both very useful features live. Wasnt about limited numbers sold, it was about a limited sound. Core Sonic Territory - Oscillators and Filters: All three of these synths have you covered for searing analog leads, basses and plucks. Moog Minimoog Model D vs Moog Subsequent 37 I own a Moog Subsequent 37 and I love it so far. Something as “trivial” as adding CV didn’t happen overnight: it had to be designed, reviewed, prototyped, tested (and tested and tested), documented (in different ways and in several different places)(does Moog publish repair documentation to it’s authorized repair centers like auto manufacturers? . You made a series of good points until the final paragraph. I should have got it a long time ago, as it became my favorite piece of gear in the studio in just a few weeks! It feels like a thing a car company or mobile phone company would do. In fact the Minimoog isn’t mentioned anywhere in it. Being a snob means you’ll miss out on some great synths that lots of other people own. The wood trim finishes off the overall premium look and feel. The contents of this article are subject to worldwide copyright protection and reproduction in whole or part, whether mechanical or electronic, is expressly forbidden without the prior written consent of the Publishers. As its name suggests, this new instrument shares a lineage with Moog’s Subsequent 37 and its predecessor the Sub 37, although its closest relative is 2013’s Sub Phatty, which it replaces in Moog’s line-up.. I’m holding out for the Consequent 37. Ultimately, the market will determine the fate of any manufacturer, but what we all have in common is enthusiasm for synthesis and we should therefore encourage makers to introduce products as they see fit…. If there is only one edition then it’s not really an edition is it? The new standard in preset design. With the Subsequent you have the impression, the two OSC are more separated. The Subsequent 37 is a (2-note) paraphonic analog synthesizer that builds on the award-winning design of the Sub 37 Tribute Edition. There is a fine balance between the designers/developers and the money/mgmt side of the business. At least they’re back in that sweet spot now. With the leftover cash, I’m deciding between the Behringer D or waiting out for the Dreadbox Medusa. . Learning to use it has been exciting. Amen. Slow, careful iteration; well-respected and relatively bug-free products. Subzero inspires maximum creativity and endless possibilities. I’m having much more fun with the SE-02 to be honest. The Sub 37 is a great synth. I’m p.o.ed that they make a great synth, and suddenly discontinue it because another synth is being made. And few take a notice of it – as long as it sounds good. Adding CV interconnectivity was the starting point,” says Moog Chief Engineer Cyril Lance, … Not sure. It’d be awesome to talk to a Moog (or Ferrari) engineer and hear about the ideas and innovations that they simply couldn’t work into this year’s model because of cost/schedule considerations. … I'm not surprised, it's a confusing product line, but I'll attempt to clarify it as we go along. Oh there was definately a huge “collectors” mark up. such clipping, so wow, much aggressive (; Depending on what Mandela Effect Multiverse your in you might want to consider hoping on eBay and grabbing a Moog Antecedent 37 while thery’e still “reasonably” affordable. Its control panel is home to 40 knobs and 74 switches, placing a vast array of analog sound-design tools and onboard sequencing options immediately at your command. One comes with CV as standard (not limited to 2000 only) & will integrate with modular systems, the other does microtonal scales. it gives the impression that it will last a long time. oh well. I owned a s37 and this is a huge improvement being able to send CV out to other modular gear as well as the other upgrades. How do I download the Sub 37 and Subsequent 37 Editor / Librarian? Moog synths have a better build than Dave Smith’s, so you know you’d be looking at a $3-5,000 synth if Moog did it, and that’s just not where the market is. The big sellers are cheap synths for noobs, that’s why you get so many people complaining about price, every time a new synth gets introduced. The lengths they go to on the reissues are a little OCD. See more ideas about Moog, Synthesizer, Submarine. “We are really excited to incorporate community feedback into the evolution of an instrument. It has lot of modern sounds and it is great for electronic music, hip hop, etc. And they are constantly trying to improve their products. It’s STILL a great combo of features, quality build and good sound. Leveraging the mixer’s newfound flexibility, the gain-staging of the Ladder filter has been reshaped to boost harmonic saturation and analog compression, resulting in an overall richer low end. Choose Subzero Deluxe and access the ultimate music production toolkit (Over 1.7 GB). I dont know why moog stoped getting creativ, they are just re releasing the same porduct, and showing people that bought the sub37 that it wasnt that good. That said I am really struggling to decide whether to GEt a Moog Sub 37 or the Sub Phatty. This is actually a terrific match If i may say So. There’s a good reason for it. Five years in the making. Unlike Apple – who spend a gawdawful amount of money on advertising and promotion – Moog has its name and its reputation for innovation and high quality. That video is effectively a demonstration on what is shitty about their previous synths. I’m glad they did this. Good decision to make CV standard for an extra price bump. Web site designed & maintained by PB Associates & SOS. I also own a Sub 37 and I could care less about this upgrade, it’s negligible at best. If they were a megacorp, sure–but they’re a small company and they don’t do things by halves. I’m not an ad guy, but I’d bet that “Moog” is up there with “Coke” in terms of ‘universal recognition’ or whatever ad people call it. Sold my Sub 37 and bought a SE-02… no regrets here. I’d like to thank moog for justifying the last string of comments I made about them on the minitaur update thread. Could not get the same sound from the 37. Don’t care what they say – ain’t no minimoog…. I feel like they owe me upgrades to make my sub do what a subsequent can do. Oh, now I see, the price is the new standard.. De sebsequent 37 with a Behringer minimoog in the external in Midi connected though the 5 pin. Moog Subsequent 37 2-Note Paraphonic Analog Synthesizer The Subsequent 37 is a (2-note) paraphonic analog synthesizer that builds upon the design of the ultra-powerful Sub 37 Tribute Edition. This is achieved by the use of steel and aluminum materials for its chassis. For a $200 price difference it's a tough choice but the Sub 37 seems to offer the best value for your use case. Weren’t they selling those larger modulat aystems for like $50k? I think this could be treated towards live players looking for a good quality mono synth. Yeah the Dominion Club is another one I was looking out for. Let’s say Ferrari[1]. Shouldn’t you be happy that manufacturers are developing new products, regardless of whether you agree with their vision or not? I agree, it does feel like Moog are now admitting that the Sub 37 wasn’t as well designed as they originally thought. Production is limited to 2000 pieces worldwide, with the first 125 units built on-site at Moogfest 2017. The synthesizer has an analog signal path and digital modulators. So I wish Moog all the best! If you've got a Moog Music Sub 37 synthesizer but are suffering from GAS now the new Subsequent 37 is available you can now upgrade your instrument. Somehow, this one feels hard to justify having the Roland SE 02 around. I hope they survive. Hear it in action here: Although the new Subsequent 37 adds new features, these are in no way intended to detract from the character of its predecessor. But hey! Bending sonically explains chance the way Suminagashi and dye migration explain visually. The 37 CV became my modular controller. Hey Moog, please explain why every Minimoog in the Voueger line is discontinued, and why your still banking on the modular synths that no one can afford or have the space? Moog should have kept it at $1499 with C/V I/O without those aesthetics. I’ve been a chance artist since a little boy (neighbors thought I was strange, freezing colored liquids in the winter back yard to see the forms they’d take). I bought an opened box Sub 37 and I love it. 2004-2021 Synthtopia, All Rights Reserved, Moog Announces Subsequent 37, Discontinues Sub 37, Behringer Intros $699 ARP 2600 'Blue Marvin' & 'Gray Meanie' Knockoffs, Native Instruments Getting New Majority Owner, New Korg modWave Wavetable Synthesizer 'A Synthesis Powerhouse', IK Multimedia Intros UNO Synth Pro Analog Synthesizers, Behringer Confirms Synthi VCS3 Knockoff On The Way, La Voix du Luthier Intros Pyramide Essential Acoustic Resonator, New Music From Plastikman For Prada Fall/Winter 2021, Kurzweil K2700 Synthesizer Workstation An Evolutionary Leap For V.A.S.T. APD Offer: 75% Off Infinity Annual Mastering Services P... Tierra Audio Flavours Preamps - AUDIO DEMOS NOW ONLINE. This one seems to have finally got that moog sound back. As long as there’s an Audio in, you can route whatever other synth you like through to get that extra oscillator (a Shruti for example to get 8-bit wavetables). I’ve had this synthesiser for a couple of months now. this is the first one of the phatty line I would consider buying actually. The original Sub37 is an amazing piece of hardware. I played a Sub 37 once. Implementing the upgraded sonic modifications and functional improvements found in the limited-edition Subsequent 37 CV (minus the aluminum aesthetic and CV outputs), the new Subsequent 37 will become the standard production model moving forward. This provides access to a new range of classic clean tones in both mono and duo performance modes. Why not just get it right the first time and move on to something else? To illuminate the enhanced sonic vocabulary of the new Subsequent 37, Moog’s Chief Engineer, Cyril Lance, is joined by Snarky Puppy’s Cory Henry in the Moog Sound Lab Moog Sound Lab. NAMM 2021: EastWest Hollywood Orchestra Opus... NAMM 2021: Spitfire Contemporary Drama Toolkit. Completing the sonic evolution of the Subsequent 37 is a re-tuned Multidrive circuit that extends well beyond the grit and growl of the original Sub 37. Pros: - It … I think a S37 firmware update sounds about right right now. Using an Audio Precision analyzer and an oscilloscope, Cyril Lance compares the audio outputs of both the original Sub 37 and Subsequent 37. See the Moog site for details. Great care has been taken to ensure accuracy in the preparation of this article but neither Sound On Sound Limited nor the publishers can be held responsible for its contents. B.S. I’m sure they spend some money on ads – but I strongly suspect that most of their sales rests on their reputation, and, importantly, that their reputation isn’t just a lot of hype. I’m sorry that I’m going to sound like a jerk saying this, but: a lot of the people commenting here haven’t a clue about how product development works in the real world. I've got a specific question about the sound of the sub 37 vs a Model D. I have a sub 37 already and have dialed in a very smooth beautiful bass sound that I use as the primary sound in my band which as some of you know is a folk and improvisational jam band. Consider 2 analog monosynths that are much more accessible than a Moog- the Minibrute & Monologue. Proud owner of their Nyx, Erebus, and Hades synths. Implementing the upgraded sonic modifications and functional improvements found in the limited-edition Subsequent 37 CV (minus the aluminum aesthetic and CV outputs), the new Subsequent 37 will become the standard production … I want an Abyss so bad. The sound of the previous ones was ALWAYS lacking to me. So a 3 osc synth from them is quite tempting. Things get oddly muddy and undermine the point. 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